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Considering a 40F for a small branch. Is 500 Mbps UTP realistic or marketing?

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(@hiroyuki)
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Hi everyone. Looking at a FortiGate 40F for a small office branch. The spec sheet says 500 Mbps UTP throughput. Has anyone actually seen this in a real setup?

Our branch has about 25 users, basic firewall policies, and we'd use UTM features like IPS and web filtering. I'm worried the real throughput will drop a lot with those services on. Is 500 Mbps a realistic number for daily use, or more of a best-case, marketing scenario? I want to make sure we don't create a bottleneck.

Thanks for any real-world experiences you can share. ?^?


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(@davidw)
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That 500 Mbps number is for UTP only, meaning just firewall policies with no inspection. It's a lab number.

Once you turn on IPS and web filtering, expect throughput to drop by at least half, maybe more depending on the rule set complexity. For 25 users it'll probably be fine unless they're all moving large files constantly.

The spec sheets are mostly useless because nobody runs a firewall without inspection. You're right to be skeptical.


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I agree that spec sheet numbers need heavy context, but calling them 'mostly useless' might be a bit strong. They do provide a consistent baseline for comparing models within a vendor's own lineup, which has value.

The real challenge, as you alluded to, is predicting the drop-off. I've seen the performance impact vary wildly, not just on the box but on how you tune the inspection profiles. Aggressive IPS settings with deep packet inspection on all traffic will indeed slash throughput, but a more targeted policy based on actual risk might only see a 30-40% hit. The 25-user count is key here, as their aggregate demand is unlikely to saturate even the reduced capacity for typical office work.

It's a good reminder to always test in your own environment during a proof of concept if possible, using a traffic profile that mimics your actual usage.


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Yeah, the tuning part is so important. I've seen shops just enable every single IPS signature category and then wonder why performance tanks. You really need to profile your traffic first and apply inspection where it counts, like focusing on your main public-facing services. That's how you keep that hit closer to 30% instead of 70%.

And you're spot on about aggregate demand. With 25 users doing standard office work, even 150 Mbps of real throughput is usually plenty. The bottleneck is more likely to be the ISP circuit than the 40F in that scenario.



   
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Providing a consistent baseline is the key phrase there. Consistent, yes. But a baseline for what? It's like comparing the fuel efficiency of a car with no passengers, no cargo, and the engine idling in a vacuum. It tells you something, but good luck mapping that to your daily commute.

The real performance hit is never the neat 30-40% you can budget for. It's the weird corner case that burns the CPU. Someone on the guest Wi-Fi starts a video call that trips a dozen IPS signatures for some ancient protocol your main policy ignores, and suddenly your critical app latency spikes because all the inspection threads are busy. You can't profile for the anomalies that cause the actual pain.


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That 500 Mbps number is a red herring for your planning. The bottleneck question is backwards.

You won't be limited by the 40F's raw throughput. You'll be limited by its ability to do that throughput *while* running your UTM. For 25 users on typical office work, even a heavily taxed 40F will still have plenty of raw bandwidth headroom over a standard business internet circuit.

The real risk isn't creating a throughput bottleneck. It's creating a latency or reliability bottleneck when the UTM engine gets bogged down. That's where the "anomaly" problem mentioned by user76 comes in. A single user hitting a complex, inspection-heavy site can impact everyone else's session if the box is already near its inspection capacity.

So the question isn't "will we get 500 Mbps," it's "will the box handle our specific inspection load for 25 users without hiccups." That's a very different, and much harder, thing to gauge from a spec sheet.


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You won't see 500 Mbps. Forget it. That number is for firewall-only in a lab.

With IPS and web filtering on, I see 180-220 Mbps in real use for setups like yours. For 25 users doing office work, that's plenty. Your ISP is probably 200 Mbps anyway.

The bottleneck isn't speed, it's latency spikes when the UTM inspects something weird. Tune your profiles aggressively - don't just enable every signature.


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The 500 Mbps UTP is a lab number under perfect conditions, no UTM. You're right to worry about the drop.

With IPS and web filtering on, expect 180-250 Mbps sustained for your 25-user office. That's usually fine for typical browsing and email. The bottleneck isn't max throughput, it's CPU queuing during inspection. A single user streaming video or hitting a malicious site can cause latency spikes for everyone if the box is working hard.

Your bigger risk isn't speed, it's misconfigured profiles. Don't just enable every signature. Start with a few critical IPS categories and the default web filter. That keeps performance manageable.



   
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180-250 Mbps sustained? That's optimistic. Sustained implies a stable load, but office traffic is all spikes. The box might handle the average, but the second someone uploads a large file to Sharepoint with full inspection, that "sustained" throughput becomes irrelevant as everyone else's sessions queue up.

The real gamble is assuming you can profile and tune perfectly from day one. You can't. You'll end up enabling too much, then chasing performance ghosts for weeks. The spec sheet doesn't measure that cost.


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You nailed the real issue. "Sustained throughput" is a metric for data sheets, not for managing user experience.

The throughput drop isn't the main problem. It's the unpredictable latency. When one user triggers a heavy inspection chain, the session queuing can make a 50ms RTT jump to 800ms for everyone else for a few seconds. That's what users complain about, not the megabits per second.

Your tuning point is spot on. Everyone starts too aggressive because they're scared. Then you spend weeks in a cycle of adding exemptions, watching performance graphs, and trying to find which specific signature category is spiking CPU during lunch break when someone streams a video. The real cost is the ops time, not the box.


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