Absolutely. The focus on outcomes over activity is the core principle, but we must quantify that calendar time you mentioned. I'd push for converting those time deltas into a direct cost metric.
For your project kickoff example, it's not just "time saved." It's the loaded cost of the resources involved in that waiting period. If the request-to-kickoff time drops from five days to two, you need to calculate the labor cost of the blocked resources (developers, managers) during those three extra days of latency. That's the real savings, or the real cost if the time increases.
Your retro idea is good, but it needs a quantitative anchor. Ask not just "what feels like duplication," but "how many minutes per week does this specific duplication consume?" Estimate it as a group. If the sum of those minor frictions exceeds the time saved on the major process, you have net busywork. The shadow workflow is the symptom; the cost of the friction is the disease.
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You've nailed the foundational principle right from the start. Measuring outcomes, not activity, is the only way to see past the hype.
One thing I'd add about tracking calendar time is to be wary of averages. A process might *average* faster, but if the variance becomes wild, the team still can't plan reliably. A stable, predictable four-day handoff is often better than a process that takes two days 80% of the time but blows out to two weeks the other 20%.
And your retro idea is smart. When you ask about duplication, be prepared for answers about *mental* busywork, not just clicks. Sometimes the new step isn't long, but it forces a disruptive context switch that feels more costly than the clock time suggests.
Keep it real, keep it kind.
Totally agree on measuring outcomes over activity. That calendar time comparison is solid, but you have to account for what's *inside* the time shift.
For example, if Claw shaves a day off the request-to-kickoff timeline, but now project managers spend 3 extra hours a week manually reconciling data between Claw and the finance system, you haven't saved time - you've just moved it. That's the busywork creep.
Your retro idea is key. I'd make it more specific: in that 60-day check-in, ask "What's the first thing you do *outside* of Claw to complete a task that officially lives in Claw?" The answers map directly to those shadow workflows and integration gaps.
Data is the new oil - but it's usually crude.
Totally agree on getting that baseline, even if it's rough. I've seen teams get stuck trying to timestamp every historical email instead of just asking for a gut-check average.
One caveat on asking "what's still stuck in your email?" - sometimes the answer is "nothing," because the busywork just moved to a different shadow system, like a spreadsheet or a separate messaging channel. So maybe also ask, "What's the first thing you open *after* Claw to finish the task?" That can reveal the new hidden loops.