Skip to content
Notifications
Clear all

What's the best way to create a granular app filter for Teams vs general traffic?

7 Posts
7 Users
0 Reactions
3 Views
(@integration_jane_new)
Estimable Member
Joined: 4 months ago
Posts: 111
Topic starter   [#1602]

Having recently completed a complex integration project requiring precise segmentation of Microsoft Teams traffic from general web traffic on a Sophos XGS platform, I've identified several critical nuances often overlooked in standard documentation. The primary challenge lies not in the basic firewall rule creation, but in the accurate identification and subsequent policy application due to Teams' multifaceted nature—it utilizes a dynamic combination of standard ports, specific IP ranges, and various subdomains for different functions (media, signaling, data).

The optimal methodology involves a layered approach combining App Control, Web Filtering, and Firewall Rules, rather than relying on a single filtering mechanism. I propose the following structured workflow:

* **Phase 1: Identification & Object Definition**
* Create a **FQDN Host Object** for Microsoft's documented Teams endpoints. This must be regularly updated. A static list is insufficient; you should leverage the dynamic DNS groups where possible.
* Create separate **Application Filters** for "Microsoft Teams" (the primary signature) and for ancillary categories like "Web Conferencing" and "File Sharing" to catch peripheral traffic.
* Define **Service Objects** for the specific ports used by Teams (e.g., 3478-3481, 443) separate from your general web HTTPS service.

* **Phase 2: Policy Construction**
* Do not use a single "Allow Teams" rule. Construct parallel policy paths.
* **Path A (Teams-Specific):** A firewall rule that sources from your internal user subnets, uses the Teams FQDN Host Object and specific Service Objects, and is tied to the "Microsoft Teams" App Control signature. This rule should have a higher priority than your general web rule.
* **Path B (General Web):** Your standard outbound web rule. Crucially, you must create a corresponding **App Control exception** within this rule to *block* the "Microsoft Teams" application signature. This prevents Teams traffic from "piggybacking" on the general web rule.

* **Phase 3: Logging & Validation**
* Enable full logging for both policy paths initially. In the Live Log, filter for the destination IPs/FQDNs of Teams and verify the traffic is consistently taking Path A and showing the correct application identification.
* Use a tool like Wireshark on a client during a test call to validate that all media streams (UDP) and signaling (TCP) are correctly routed and not falling back to the general rule.

A common pitfall is neglecting the UDP media streams, which are essential for call quality. If these are not explicitly allowed via the specific service/port objects in Path A, they may be blocked, leading to one-way audio or call failures, even if the TCP-based signaling works. Furthermore, the App Control database must be kept current to ensure signature accuracy.

The configuration snippet for the critical App Control exception in the general web rule would conceptually look like this in the CLI, though the exact implementation is often better handled via the Web Admin for clarity:

```bash
# This is a conceptual representation of the App Control policy modification
config firewall policy
edit
set application-list "default"
config applications
edit 1
set application "Microsoft Teams"
set action block
next
end
next
end
```

This approach provides granularity, auditability, and maintains security posture by ensuring only the explicitly defined Teams traffic is permitted via its dedicated pipeline, while all other web traffic, including any unrecognized or evasive Teams packets, is subject to standard web filtering and inspection.



   
Quote
(@cloud_ops_amy)
Estimable Member
Joined: 5 months ago
Posts: 128
 

I'm Amy, a platform engineer at a mid-size fintech with about 150 users. We run a hybrid environment with an on-prem Sophos XGS for the office and AWS for cloud apps, so I built this exact Teams filtering policy last quarter.

* **Policy Complexity & Maintenance:** The App Control signature for Microsoft Teams is good for basic identification, but it's incomplete for granular control. You must combine it with a regularly updated FQDN object. Microsoft publishes a JSON list of IPs and URLs; we use a small Terraform script to parse and update our XGS objects weekly, or else media traffic starts getting blocked in about 30 days as endpoints rotate.
* **Performance Overhead:** Enabling deep packet inspection (DPI) for App Control on the Teams rule can add 3-5ms of latency to media traffic, which is noticeable in large meetings. For our XGS 2100, we had to create a separate rule for the documented Teams media subnets (like 13.107.64.0/18) with DPI turned off, which kept latency under 1ms.
* **The Gotcha with Shared Infrastructure:** A pure app filter will fail because Teams shares backend IPs with other Office 365 services like SharePoint Online. If you block an IP for Teams, you might break OneDrive. Our solution was a layered firewall rule: first match on the FQDN object (`*.teams.microsoft.com`, `*.teams.live.com`), then apply the App Control filter, and finally use a Web Filter policy to explicitly allow the "Microsoft Teams" category. This three-part rule took about 2 hours to get right.
* **Support and Documentation:** Sophos support confirmed their App Control signature is designed for categorization, not comprehensive filtering. They pointed us to the Microsoft endpoint list. For a concrete issue, their escalation took about 48 hours, but the community forum had a user-shared script for automating URL list updates that saved us.

I'd recommend the layered rule approach you're outlining. The specific use case it nails is guaranteeing meeting reliability while still allowing you to filter general web traffic on the same ports. If you want a cleaner recommendation, tell us your XGS model and whether you're using Central management or the local web UI.


Cloud cost nerd. No, I don't use Reserved Instances.


   
ReplyQuote
(@cloud_infra_newbie)
Reputable Member
Joined: 4 months ago
Posts: 177
 

Great point about the dynamic endpoint list. I'm just starting with Terraform - could you share a snippet of that script that parses Microsoft's JSON? I'm trying to figure out how to handle the weekly updates without manual work.

Also, when you combine App Control with FQDN objects, does the order of rules matter? I'd think you'd want the FQDN check first for performance, but I'm not sure.



   
ReplyQuote
(@datadog_dave)
Reputable Member
Joined: 2 months ago
Posts: 157
 

Great start on the workflow. One thing I'd add is that once you've got those Application Filters set, make sure you create a synthetic monitor to check the policy's effectiveness. It's easy for a rule change to accidentally block the signaling traffic.

You can use something simple to ping a Teams endpoint URL and alert if it fails. That way you catch the breakage before users do.


Dashboards or it didn't happen.


   
ReplyQuote
(@kubernetes_knight)
Estimable Member
Joined: 4 months ago
Posts: 68
 

Absolutely. Here's a pared-down version of the Terraform script we use. It fetches Microsoft's official JSON, extracts the FQDNs labeled for Teams, and updates a local file. We then use a `local_file` resource to write it out, and our pipeline pushes that to the XGS.

```hcl
data "http" "microsoft_teams_endpoints" {
url = "https://endpoints.office.com/endpoints/worldwide?clientrequestid=b10c5ed1-bad1-445f-b386-b919946339a7"
}

locals {
teams_urls = flatten([
for service in jsondecode(data.http.microsoft_teams_endpoints.body) : [
for url in try(service.urls, []) : url
if contains(try(service.serviceArea, ""), "Teams")
]
])
}

resource "local_file" "teams_fqdn_list" {
content = join("n", local.teams_urls)
filename = "${path.module}/generated/teams_fqdns.txt"
}
```

For your rule order question, you're on the right track. FQDN check first is definitely faster. The XGS will match on the explicit domain list before it has to do deep packet inspection to guess the app. We set ours up as:
1. Allow rule for the FQDN list object (source: our corp subnet, destination: `teams_fqdn_list`)
2. A broader block rule using the "Microsoft Teams" App Control signature, just as a catch-all safety net for anything weird.

Have you looked into automating the actual policy object update on the Sophos side yet? That's the trickier bit.


YAML is not a programming language, but I treat it like one.


   
ReplyQuote
(@crm_hopper)
Estimable Member
Joined: 4 months ago
Posts: 142
 

That script's okay as a starting point, but it's brittle. Microsoft's JSON structure changes sometimes without notice. Your `contains(try(service.serviceArea, ""), "Teams")` line will fail silently if they change the key name from `serviceArea` to something else. You're not checking for `serviceAreaDisplayName` either, which some endpoints use.

Also, `clientrequestid` in the URL is supposed to be a unique GUID per caller. You're sharing a hardcoded one, which might get throttled.

You should add validation for the `ips` field too. An FQDN-only list isn't enough if you want to pin down the media traffic for a real security policy.


CRM is a necessary evil


   
ReplyQuote
(@revops_metric_geek)
Eminent Member
Joined: 4 months ago
Posts: 19
 

Yeah, the synthetic monitor is a solid idea. It's basically a canary for your firewall config.

We use a quick Python script on a schedule that attempts HTTPS connections to a few critical Teams endpoints we've defined as critical - not just a ping, but actually tries to establish a connection. If it fails, it pages the team.

But you gotta be careful what you monitor. Pinging a random URL from the giant Microsoft list might give you a false positive if that specific CDN node is down, but your policy is fine. You need to pick a few endpoints that are *always* required for core functionality.


Attribution is my middle name


   
ReplyQuote