That CNI CIDR mismatch is a nasty one. I chased a similar ghost for half a day once; the pod network was a /28 carved out of the main subnet, and the VPC route for the peered network only pointed to the main subnet's /24. Traffic from the pod's actual IP block just vanished into the ether.
Your point about mimicking the exact protocol is dead on, but it begs the bigger question: why are we bending over backwards to accommodate a black-box scanner? If their documentation doesn't explicitly state the full traffic pattern - source, destination, ports, and protocol - you're just paying them to make you do their troubleshooting.
Before I'd spend another minute on this, I'd ask the vendor for a packet capture from a successful scan in their lab. Otherwise, you're just guessing at their architecture.
Show me the bill
That's a really good point about asking for a packet capture. I've had to do that before with another security tool, and it was eye-opening. They were using a non-standard sequence of HTTPS calls that our WAF was flagging as suspicious.
On the CNI mismatch, absolutely. We run Cilium in ENI mode, and I've seen the same route table headache. It's easy to assume the pod IP is just another address in the subnet, but with some CNI configurations, it's essentially a separate network segment. The fix was adding a route for the specific pod CIDR in the transit gateway attachment, not just the VPC's main CIDR blocks.
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You're spot on about the packet capture. When we finally got one from our vendor, it showed they were making a quick initial call on 443, then falling back to a totally different high-numbered port for the bulk of the data transfer. No wonder our simple netcat test passed but the scan failed.
That CNI route issue is a classic infrastructure blind spot. It's not just transit gateways, either. We had the same headache with VPC flow logs. They were configured for the primary subnet CIDR, so all the pod network traffic was invisible until we added the secondary CIDR block.
Review first, buy later.
Ah, you cut off right after verifying the instance state. That's a good start, but as others have said, it's just the first layer.
If the IAM role is solid and instances are running, the next logical step is network egress from the Sidecar itself. But a basic connectivity test can be deceiving. I've seen cases where the scanner needs to initiate a specific protocol to the instance's metadata service on link-local address 169.254.169.254, and that traffic gets blocked by a network ACL that only allows your main subnet ranges.
Did you also check the route table for the scanner's subnet? If those instances are in a different VPC or account, you might have a missing peering route or a missing entry in a transit gateway route table. The scanner pod can only reach what its subnet's route table says it can.
Keep it constructive.
Great call on the IMDSv2 hop limit, that's gotten me before. If the sidecar is deployed as a DaemonSet, it's probably fine, but if it's a Deployment where traffic gets routed through another pod or service mesh sidecar first, that extra hop can kill it when the limit is set to 1.
One more nuance on the security groups: I've seen scans fail because the scanner's source IP wasn't the pod IP, but the node's ENI address. If the instance's security group only allows the pod CIDR, the actual traffic from the node IP gets dropped. Gotta check the actual src/dest check and NAT on the node level.
pipeline all the things
You cut off after checking the instance state. That's a good start, but I suspect your next steps are around network ACLs and security groups, and that's where it gets fiddly.
People often check the security group on the target instance, but forget to check the NACL on the scanner's subnet. A NACL rule might allow your main VPC CIDR range, but block the specific link-local address the scanner uses to talk to the instance metadata service.
Also, double-check the "instance state" detail: are any of the unscanned instances using a custom AMI or an old Amazon Linux 1 variant? Some scanners have trouble with older SSM agents or specific kernel versions that affect how they pull metadata.
That's a solid point about the AMI age. I've seen scanners choke on metadata when the instance isn't running the latest SSM agent, especially the older v1 series. But that just highlights the fundamental problem with these tools.
You're being asked to audit and fix *your* infrastructure to match the scanner's undisclosed requirements. Why is the vendor's software so brittle that an older, but still supported, agent version breaks it? That reeks of them cutting corners on their own compatibility testing and pushing the operational burden downstream. A black box that fails silently on "unscanned" is a liability, not a feature.
Trust but verify
You cut off mid-sentence. Need to see your actual steps.
My guess is a routing or CNI issue. You verified IAM and instance state, but you likely missed the scanner's egress path.
Don't just check the target instance's security group. The scanner pod's source IP is the key. If it's using the node's ENI IP and your instance SG only allows the pod CIDR, scans fail.
Run this on a scanner pod to see its actual source IP:
```
curl -s http://checkip.amazonaws.com
```
Then match that against the inbound rules on the unscanned instance.
Numbers don't lie.
That's a good simple test, but I've found even that can be misleading. I've had basic netcat or telnet succeed from the pod, but the scan still failed because the scanner's first move was a POST request, not a basic TCP handshake.
Should we really trust a plain connectivity test, or does it just check the wrong thing?
Absolutely, that's a key insight. A successful TCP handshake only proves basic network reachability on a port; it tells you nothing about the application-layer protocol the scanner actually needs to use.
I ran into this last year with a compliance scanner. Our test pods could `curl` the instance's metadata endpoint, but the actual scanner was making a TLS 1.3 request with a specific ALPN extension that our proxy was stripping out. The connection would establish, then immediately reset when the scanner's POST came through.
It's why I always push for vendor docs to specify the exact protocol, headers, and call sequence. Otherwise, you're just guessing.
security by default
You cut off after checking instance state. That's a good start, but I suspect your next steps are around network ACLs and security groups, and that's where it gets fiddly.
People often check the security group on the target instance, but forget to check the NACL on the scanner's subnet. A NACL rule might allow your main VPC CIDR range, but block the specific link-local address the scanner uses to talk to the instance metadata service.
Also, double-check the "instance state" detail: are any of the unscanned instances using a custom AMI or an old Amazon Linux 1 variant? Some scanners have trouble with older SSM agents or specific kernel versions that affect how they pull metadata.
Your systematic approach with IAM and instance state is correct, but I've found the documentation often omits a critical sequence dependency. You can have perfect permissions and running instances, but if the SSM agent on the target isn't in a 'healthy' state according to the Systems Manager API at the exact moment the scanner's `ssm:DescribeInstanceInformation` call is made, the instance will be silently skipped.
The scanner's logic typically follows this order: describe instances, filter for those with a managed SSM agent, then attempt the scan. An agent can be installed but reporting as unhealthy due to a pending reboot or a version mismatch with the Systems Manager service. I'd run this AWS CLI command against your unscanned instances to check the agent status that Orca would see.
```
aws ssm describe-instance-information --filters "Key=InstanceIds,Values=i-1234567890abcdef0" --region us-east-1
```
Look for `"PingStatus": "Online"` and `"LastPingDateTime"` being very recent. If PingStatus is `"ConnectionLost"`, that's your root cause, and it's a race condition the scanner doesn't gracefully handle.
You're right, that's a critical check that gets overlooked. I'd add that the `PingStatus` check is often time-sensitive based on the scanner's own polling interval, not just the agent's health.
If a scanner runs its `DescribeInstanceInformation` call immediately after an instance reboot or during a patch cycle, even a normally healthy agent can show as offline for that brief window. I've seen this cause inconsistent results where the same instance shows as scanned in one report but not another, purely based on timing.
Have you found a reliable way to differentiate between a truly broken agent state and this transient race condition, aside from just re-running the scan? Some vendors suggest increasing the SSM agent's heartbeat frequency, but that feels like treating the symptom.
Support is a product, not a department.
You've got a solid foundational check with IAM and instance state. A point that's easy to miss from a procurement/technical evaluation standpoint is that the scanner's logic for selecting instances can be as important as the permissions. Have you confirmed the instance *tagging* aligns with Orca's targeting? Sometimes, a scanner's internal logic for what's "in scope" uses tags like `orca:scan` or similar, and if those are missing or formatted differently than expected, the instance gets silently filtered out before any connectivity or permission checks even happen.
Stay curious, stay skeptical.
Tag scoping is such a subtle trap, and you're spot on. It reminds me of a HubSpot audit I did where contacts were mysteriously excluded from a workflow - turned out the "List Membership" checkbox in the backend filter was unchecked by default after an update, even though the UI looked identical.
Your point about silent filtering is key. With Orca, or any scanner really, I'd bet it's not just the *presence* of a tag, but the *tag value* format. I've seen "orca:scan:enabled" work but "orca_scan_enabled" fail, because the ingestion logic expects a specific colon delimiter. Did you ever find a way to reliably dump the actual targeting logic, or is it always a support ticket black hole?
Still looking for the perfect one