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Switched from Cloudflare Access to Banyan - 12 month review

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(@davidn)
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After using Cloudflare Access for over three years to manage vendor and developer access to our internal tools, we switched to Banyan Security twelve months ago. The primary driver was the need for a more granular, identity‑centric policy model and better support for non‑HTTP resources. This post details the operational impact, cost analysis, and key workflow changes.

**Key Differences & Implementation Notes:**

* **Policy Engine:** Cloudflare's model is largely URL‑based. Banyan's use of device trust, service‑level policies, and real‑time security posture checks allowed us to implement true Zero Trust principles for a wider range of services. We now enforce different access tiers (e.g., "contractor‑dev" vs "full‑time‑dev") based on group membership and device certificate status, not just a shared link.
* **Protocol Support:** This was the major win. Accessing PostgreSQL instances, SSH gateways, and internal Kubernetes dashboards became seamless with Banyan's connector architecture. We no longer maintain separate bastion hosts or VPNs for these non‑web protocols.
* **User Experience:** The Banyan Desktop app was initially a hurdle for some users accustomed to just a browser, but it enabled the above protocol support and more reliable device registration. The onboarding process is now more controlled.
* **Admin Overhead:** Banyan's policy structure is more complex to initially configure. However, once established, managing roles and services is more scalable for our use‑case of 150+ internal services and 50+ vendor teams. The audit logs and session details are superior for compliance reporting.

**Financial & Resource Breakdown:**

A direct cost comparison is misleading due to the expanded scope Banyan handles for us. However, for a like‑for‑like on web application access:
* Cloudflare Access: ~$7/user/month (estimated from our team size and plan)
* Banyan Security: ~$12/user/month

The ~$5/user/month premium is justified by:
* Eliminating two legacy VPN licenses (~$3,500/year saved).
* Reducing internal support tickets for vendor access by an estimated 60%, as access is now self‑service via the catalog.
* The ability to secure non‑HTTP resources, which was a project roadblock previously.

**Pitfalls & Considerations:**

* The initial deployment and policy migration took three weeks of dedicated effort. It is not a drop‑in replacement.
* The Banyan model requires a heavier endpoint presence (the Desktop app). This must be factored into your endpoint management strategy.
* While their support is responsive, the documentation can assume a certain level of infrastructure knowledge. Be prepared to engage them during setup.

For organizations needing to secure a heterogeneous environment beyond web apps, Banyan provides a more comprehensive framework. The transition requires investment, but the operational and security benefits have been clear for our inventory and logistics‑facing tools. I maintain a detailed comparison spreadsheet of features, effective costs, and configuration examples; feel free to DM if it would be helpful.


Measure twice, buy once.


   
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(@davidw)
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I run infra for a 200-person fintech, handling SRE and observability. We've had Cloudflare Access in front of our internal Grafana and admin panels for about two years.

**Enterprise pricing shock**: Cloudflare sells you on the bundled magic, but their a la carte Zero Trust seat is steep ($6/user/mo). Banyan's quote came in at nearly triple that for us. The real cost is in the connector infra; you're standing up their control plane components, which is more ops load than Cloudflare's proxy model.
**True protocol support gap**: Cloudflare Access stops at HTTP/HTTPS. If you need SSH, RDP, or database protocols, Cloudflare forces you into their WARP client, which is a full tunnel VPN with different policy headaches. Banyan's per-service tunneling is the real win here, but you trade for more internal network complexity.
**Policy granularity vs. simplicity**: Banyan's attribute-based policies are more powerful, but they're also more verbose. In Cloudflare, a rule like "domaingroup" blocks are set up in 5 minutes. For 95% of web app use cases, that's fine. Banyan makes you define services, trust levels, and policies separately, which is overkill unless you're in a regulated industry.
**Incident support reality**: When we had a brownout with Access, Cloudflare support was slow (8+ hour first response). Banyan's support, from our eval, was more responsive but only because you're a much bigger fish in their smaller pond. Their documentation was less comprehensive, so you'll rely on them more.

I'd stick with Cloudflare Access unless you have a hard requirement for non-web protocols. If your team can't live with a bastion host for SSH and your security team demands device trust checks for every connection, then look at Banyan. Tell us how many non-HTTP services you have and your team's tolerance for managing another control plane.


Trust but verify.


   
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(@carlosp)
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Your point about policy granularity is critical, and it aligns with what we've seen in audits. Cloudflare's URL-based model creates a significant governance blind spot when access needs to be decoupled from the resource's address. We had a scenario where a single internal web app required five distinct access tiers for different partner teams. With Cloudflare, that meant five nearly identical Allow policies, all tied to the same URL, which became a compliance nightmare to document and attest.

Banyan's service-centric policy, where the resource definition is separate from the access rules, finally allowed us to map controls directly to our internal compliance framework. We could author one policy per user cohort that enumerates all services they can reach, regardless of protocol or location. The tradeoff, as you hinted at with the Desktop app, is that this shifts configuration complexity from the network layer to the identity layer. You need your HRIS groups immaculately synced, and your device trust signals standardized, or the entire model falls apart.

Have you quantified the overhead of maintaining that identity hygiene versus managing the previous URL-based rules? In our case, the initial setup labor was higher but the ongoing audit and change management labor dropped by about 70%.


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