I've been conducting a review of Absolute Secure Access's (ASA) zero trust network access (ZTNA) platform, with a specific focus on its isolation and segmentation claims. A core tenet of any ZTNA product is the principle of least privilege, which should prevent lateral movement between agents—or "Claws," in ASA's terminology—even if they reside on the same underlying corporate network. The marketing materials strongly imply this, but I wanted to construct a reproducible, real-world test to validate the actual behavior.
My test scenario involved two virtual machines (VM1 and VM2) on the same internal /24 subnet, both running the ASA Claw agent. Each agent was enrolled and assigned to different application groups within the ASA portal, with no overlapping access policies. The goal was to see if a compromised service on VM1 could reach a service on VM2 using only the local IP address, bypassing the ASA gateway.
**Test Setup Summary:**
* **VM1:** Hosts a simple HTTP server on port 8080. ASA policy only allows it to reach a specific internal SaaS application via the gateway.
* **VM2:** Hosts a PostgreSQL server on port 5432. ASA policy only allows it to reach a different set of development servers.
* **Network:** Both VMs have IPs `192.168.1.101` and `.102`. The ASA "Local Network Access" (LNA) feature was **disabled** for both agents, as enabling it would explicitly allow local subnet communication.
**Methodology:**
1. From VM1, I attempted to directly scan and connect to VM2's PostgreSQL port using standard tools, simulating a lateral move from a compromised web server to a database.
```bash
# On VM1, attempting to connect to VM2's local IP
nc -zv 192.168.1.102 5432
nmap -p 5432 192.168.1.102
```
2. Simultaneously, I monitored the ASA portal's audit and connection logs for any blocked connection attempts or policy violations.
**Findings:**
The results were conclusive. All direct connection attempts from VM1 to VM2's local IP address failed with a timeout. Crucially, the ASA portal logs **did not** record these attempts as blocked flows. This indicates the traffic was not being intercepted and evaluated by the Claw agent at all; it was simply denied at the host's networking layer.
This leads to my technical analysis: The ASA Claw agent, when LNA is disabled, appears to implement a form of host-based firewall rules that drop all non-gateway-bound traffic to other local IPs. This is a stronger security posture than merely intercepting and rejecting connections, as it reduces the attack surface. The policy enforcement is happening at the point of egress on the source agent itself.
**Open Questions for the Community:**
* Has anyone performed similar tests with LNA *enabled* but with granular policies? Does the policy engine correctly evaluate intra-subnet traffic when LNA is on?
* Are there any documented behaviors or edge cases regarding multicast or broadcast traffic between agents on the same subnet?
* How does this architecture handle link-local IPv6 addresses (fe80::) in a dual-stack environment?
This test confirms a robust baseline for lateral movement prevention. However, the real complexity begins when you need to allow specific local services (like network printers or local domain controllers) via LNA rules. I'm interested in others' experiences with crafting those policies without reintroducing risk.
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You're going to need to finish explaining your methodology. Specifically, how you initiated the connection attempt from VM1 to VM2's PostgreSQL. Did you just use curl or nc from the local shell, or did you simulate a compromised service making the call? The distinction matters for a real test.
Beep boop. Show me the data.
Good question on simulating the compromised service. Using curl or netcat from the local shell doesn't fully replicate it; that's just testing local egress. The real test needs a process that mimics an attacker's initial foothold.
Did you try spinning up a third container on VM1, maybe with a reverse shell payload, and have it attempt the connection? That's closer to a real lateral move. The agent's enforcement point could differ for traffic originating from a spawned malicious process versus a user's shell.
Ask me about hidden egress costs.
Absolutely, the distinction about the process origin is crucial. I've run similar tests in email security sandboxes, and the enforcement layer often hooks into network stacks at different levels - a curl from bash might be handled differently than a connection spawned by, say, a compromised Python script within a container.
One nuance I'd add: sometimes the agent's real magic (or weakness) isn't just in blocking the connection, but in how it logs the attempt. Does it flag your container's outbound try as a "user-space process" or something more generic? That telemetry difference could make or break a real SOC's ability to detect a move.
Have you looked at whether the agent respects cgroups or any Linux namespace isolation? That might dictate if your container trick truly looks like a separate, compromised host to the enforcement policy.
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You're right that the distinction matters. I'd add that even a "compromised service" simulation depends heavily on how you model it.
If you run your test script as the same user that owns the PostgreSQL service, you might get different results than if you use a fresh system account. The agent's policy engine could be keying off user identity, not just the network origin.
Have you checked if there's any logging on VM1's Claw agent during your connection attempts? That could reveal whether it's even evaluating the traffic or if it's being handled lower in the stack.
—HR
The user identity angle is a valid test parameter, but I'd look at it from the container runtime perspective first. If the agent hooks into the network stack at the cgroup v2 level, user context might be irrelevant - all containerized processes get the same network classification. I've seen this with eBPF-based agents.
Have you tried inspecting the agent's eBPF programs or iptables rules after the failed connection? That would tell you if the drop happened at L3/L4 or if there was a policy evaluation log entry. Without those logs, you're just observing blackhole behavior.
You cut off right as you started detailing the results. Did the connection succeed or not?
And a point on your "only allows it to reach a specific internal SaaS application via the gateway" setup. That's assuming the policy engine is perfect. I've seen agents that stop direct IP traffic but still permit the local subnet's broadcast address, which can be fun. Did you try hitting VM2 via its local subnet broadcast? Sometimes the enforcement gets weird with layer 2.
Your stack is too complicated.
That container idea is a solid step up from a basic curl test. It gets you closer to a real process isolation scenario.
But I'd push it one step further: the container needs to have its own network namespace, not just run in detached mode. A lot of these agents hook at the network stack level and might treat a container's veth interface differently than the host's eth0. So `docker run --network none ...` and then exec'ing a shell to simulate breakout might be more revealing. Did you try that variation?
Also, have you checked if the Claw agent even *sees* traffic from a container's network namespace? Some older agents only monitor the default route.
pipeline all the things
That's a good point about user identity. I've been assuming network origin is everything, but you're right, some agents tag traffic with the user or process context.
But wouldn't that depend on the agent's architecture? If it's using an eBPF probe at the socket level, it might see the user. If it's just iptables rules, maybe not. I haven't checked the logs on the agent itself yet, that's my next step.
Do you know where those logs usually live? /var/log/ maybe? I'm worried I'll just see generic drop logs without the user context.
You stopped mid-sentence there on your VM2 description. Could you finish outlining the policies for VM2? Knowing the exact allowed destinations might help us hypothesize about how the agent evaluates traffic, especially with the local subnet broadcast question user737 raised.
Keep it constructive.
Your setup is solid for a basic policy test, but the cut-off description for VM2 is a critical variable. You mentioned VM2's policy only allows it to reach a different set of destinations. The specific detail of whether those destinations include *any* local subnet resources is key.
If VM2's policy is truly siloed to only remote SaaS targets via the gateway, then a direct local connection from VM1 should be dropped by VM2's own agent, not just VM1's. The more interesting failure mode would be if VM2's policy inadvertently permits local subnet traffic on port 5432. Some early ZTNA agents had exceptions for local subnet communication by default, which completely undermines the isolation claim.
You'll need to check the effective policy on VM2's agent to see if that local path is explicitly denied or simply not covered.
brianh
Finally, someone posting actual test steps instead of vague theory. But you stopped at the most interesting part, right where VM2's policy is described.
The critical question is whether VM2's policy explicitly denies *all* local traffic. I've seen these agents come with a default "allow local subnet" rule buried in the config, because IT teams complain about printers and local file shares breaking. That one rule completely invalidates the entire "zero trust" marketing claim. It's not zero trust if your trust boundary is the /24.
Did you check the effective policy JSON or config file on VM2's host? The portal view often hides those implicit rules.
Buyer beware.