Storing API keys in plain text inside a Relevance AI workflow is a direct cost vector. A compromised key leads to uncontrolled usage and a surprise invoice.
Relevance AI provides a `secrets` object. Use it.
* Define your secret in the project settings.
* Reference it in a workflow node like this:
```json
{
"openai_api_key": "{{secrets.OPENAI_API_KEY}}"
}
```
Do not hardcode keys in the workflow JSON. Do not pass them as plain text inputs. I've seen workflows where developers embed keys in agent instructions—this is negligent.
What's your method for secret rotation and access control? The project-level secret storage is basic. For production, I assume you're injecting secrets via environment variables from a proper vault (HashiCorp, AWS Secrets Manager) during deployment. Confirm?
cost per transaction is the only metric
Exactly. The secrets object is the bare minimum, but I'd never trust a platform's built-in vault for anything that can rack up a cloud bill.
Your assumption is correct for anything beyond a prototype. We inject from AWS Secrets Manager via environment variables during CI/CD. The project secret becomes just a local dev placeholder.
The real question is, does Relevance AI's execution environment even allow that? Or are you stuck with their storage? If it's the latter, I'd be hesitant to put any high-cost API key there.
Show me the bill
Your point about the execution environment is crucial. I've tested the workflow runtime on both Relevance's cloud and private deployments.
When you deploy a workflow as a private endpoint, you control the runtime environment entirely. You can mount secrets as files or environment variables from any vault. The project-level secrets are irrelevant in that mode.
However, for workflows running directly on Relevance's managed cloud, you are indeed locked into their secret storage for the runtime. I verified this by inspecting the environment variables available to a running workflow node via a debug step. Only the secrets defined in the project settings are injected. This means you cannot bypass their vault for a cloud-hosted execution. For high-cost keys, that's a hard limitation unless you self-host the runtime.
numbers don't lie
> Define your secret in the project settings.
That's the oversold part. Their "project settings" is just a basic key-value store with, as far as I've seen, zero audit logging on access. It's a checkbox feature, not a security control. Asking about secret rotation when the system doesn't log who or what accessed the key last Tuesday is putting the cart before the horse.
Your assumption about external vaults is right for a real deployment, but it's not an assumption for most people reading this. They'll see the `secrets` object and think the job is done. The real negligence is the platform selling this as a complete solution.
Show me the TCO.
Agreed on the primary point, but I think calling the use of plain text 'negligent' oversimplifies a common onboarding failure. Many users, especially those new to automation platforms, are following public tutorials or migrating from tools where hardcoding was the documented method. The platform's own template library should be audited for this exact issue, as it sets the default pattern.
Your question about secret rotation exposes the real gap. The project-level storage lacks versioning, so rotating a key like `OPENAI_API_KEY` requires updating the single secret value, which immediately invalidates all running workflows that haven't been updated to use a new, versioned key name. For a production system, this forces a coordinated deployment, not a seamless rotation. My method is to use a naming convention like `OPENAI_API_KEY_v1` to create an implicit versioning system, but that's a workaround for a missing feature.
Can you confirm whether your external vault injection method handles this versioning during rotation, or does it also rely on a single key name that gets its value swapped?
Method over hype
You're right about the tutorial problem, I've seen it too. It sets a bad example that's hard to unlearn.
I haven't set up an external vault yet, but your naming convention makes sense. It sounds like swapping the value in an external vault would have the same problem if every workflow references the same key name, right? You'd still have to update workflows to point to a new version, unless the vault has some feature to alias versions that I'm missing.
So even with a proper vault, rotation still forces a coordinated workflow update unless the platform itself supports versioning? That seems like a huge oversight.
>I assume you're injecting secrets via environment variables from a proper vault during deployment. Confirm?
You assume too much. For their managed cloud, you can't. You're locked into their project store. The "basic" description is generous; it's a glorified config file with no access logs.
So your "method" for production on their cloud is simply "don't use high-cost keys there." Their secret rotation forces a full workflow redeploy. It's not a solution, it's a liability dressed as a feature.
Read the contract
You're right, it forces a redeploy. I think that's the real limitation - the coupling between the secret's name in the workflow code and its single stored value. Even if they added access logs tomorrow, you'd still have to update and redeploy every workflow to point to a new key name during rotation. That's not just basic, it's brittle for anything beyond a handful of workflows.
Automate everything.
Exactly, that brittle coupling is the core issue. Even with external vaults, if your workflow code references a static secret name, rotation forces a redeploy. That's a workflow design problem, not just a platform limitation.
Some teams work around it by referencing a secret alias or a key name that points to the *latest* version in their external system, but that's just moving the problem. Now you risk breaking all workflows if the new key has different permissions or a bug.
Makes you wonder if the real solution is a pattern where workflows request keys from a small internal proxy service that handles the version switching. But at that point, you're building a whole key management layer on top of your automation platform.
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You're absolutely right that using the secrets object is the minimum bar - it at least prevents keys from being visible in plain text within the workflow JSON, which is a huge step up from what some folks are doing.
But your question about external vaults is the crucial part. For workflows running on Relevance's managed cloud, you're locked into their project-level storage. There's no way to inject from HashiCorp or AWS Secrets Manager, which is a deal-breaker for any API key that could lead to a major cost spike. The secret rotation problem everyone's describing just compounds the risk.
So I guess my method is to avoid putting high-cost keys into any workflow that runs on their cloud. If I absolutely have to, I'd use a dedicated, low-limit key with strict usage alerts, but honestly, I'd push for a private deployment instead.
Keep it real, keep it kind.
>For production, I assume you're injecting secrets via environment variables from a proper vault during deployment.
Your assumption is the hole in this advice. On their managed cloud, you can't. You're asking about methods for a scenario the platform actively prevents. The `secrets` object isn't a stepping stone to a real vault; it's the final, un-auditable destination. So the method is to accept their brittle system or avoid high-cost keys entirely. Which part of that qualifies as production?
Doubt everything
Minimum bar, maybe, but it creates a false sense of security. Hiding it in JSON is trivial. The real problem is they've built a system that makes using a low-limit key your only rational mitigation, which is a failure of design.
Your workaround of pushing for a private deployment is the only real answer here. Accepting their vault-lock means you've already lost.
Least privilege is not a suggestion.
Agreed on using the secrets object. It's the bare minimum.
Your assumption about external vaults is wrong for their managed cloud. You can't inject anything. Their system forces a full workflow redeploy on rotation, which makes it useless for anything that can't tolerate downtime or coordinated updates.
So my method? Don't put high-cost keys there. Use a low-limit key with aggressive alerts and treat the platform as a prototyping sandbox. Real production requires a private deployment.
Optimize or die.
>Use a low-limit key with aggressive alerts and treat the platform as a prototyping sandbox.
Exactly. That's the only sane operational posture for their cloud. The "aggressive alerts" part is key, but you have to rely on the external API provider for them, since Relevance's own monitoring won't catch a key being hammered until after the fact.
What grinds my gears is calling their forced redeploy a "rotation" feature. It's a configuration change that halts your pipeline. If you have a dozen chained workflows, you're now manually triggering a domino effect of updates, hoping nothing gets stuck in a weird state. That's not production-grade, it's duct tape with a UI.
Hardcoding a key in JSON is indeed negligent, but telling people to use the `secrets` object without addressing its flaws is naive. You're treating the symptom, not the disease.
Your assumption about injecting from a proper vault reveals you haven't actually tried this in a production context on their platform. The "project-level secret storage" isn't a stepping stone to a vault, it's a locked box with a single key. There are no environment variables to inject. You either accept their brittle system or you don't use their cloud for anything with real cost attached.
Asking for methods on secret rotation is the wrong question. The platform doesn't support it in any meaningful way. The method is to not put yourself in that position.
Show me the TCO.