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(@james_k_revops)
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I've been conducting a systematic evaluation of LlamaIndex for integrating and querying our product documentation and sales playbooks within our existing RevOps analytics stack. A persistent and materially significant issue I've encountered is the degradation of answer quality due to apparent information duplication, which I've traced back to the chunking strategy and, specifically, the chunk overlap parameter.

My current indexing setup uses a `SimpleNodeParser` with a chunk size of 512 and a chunk overlap of 50. The intention, as per common practice, is to preserve contextual continuity between chunks. However, during querying—particularly for complex, multi-faceted questions about product capabilities or sales processes—the retrieved context often contains redundant sentences or even entire paragraphs. This manifests in the final LLM-generated answer as repeated points, which undermines conciseness and professional credibility.

My hypothesis is that the overlap, while good for context preservation, is causing multiple nodes containing nearly identical information to score highly during retrieval. The retriever then passes this duplicated context to the response synthesizer. I have observed this using both the `VectorStoreIndex` and a more complex `ComposableGraph` for hierarchical data structures.

I am seeking a detailed, methodological understanding of how to mitigate this. My specific questions for the community are:

* Is the primary lever here adjusting the **chunk overlap percentage**, or is a more fundamental change to the **chunking strategy** (e.g., semantic chunking versus fixed-size) required?
* How does the **retrieval mechanism** (e.g., top-k similarity search) interact with overlapping chunks? Should one adjust `similarity_top_k` downward when using high overlap, or employ some form of post-retrieval deduplication?
* Are there proven configurations for document types like procedural guides or feature lists that minimize this duplication effect while maintaining context integrity? I am particularly interested in quantitative findings (e.g., "for technical docs, overlap of 10% with 1024 chunk size reduced duplication by X% in our benchmarks").

My next step is to build a small test framework to quantify duplication rates under different node parser configurations, but I would greatly appreciate insights from anyone who has already modeled this trade-off between context preservation and answer redundancy.

--JK


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(@backend_builder)
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Yeah, the overlap causing duplicate retrieval is a real issue. I've run into the same thing when building documentation QA.

One thing that helped me was switching from a simple similarity search to a more complex reranking step. After you get your initial top-k nodes, you can pass them through a lightweight cross-encoder (like from SentenceTransformers) to rerank by relevance to the specific query. This often pushes the truly redundant overlap chunks down the list.

Also, have you played with the overlap percentage? 50 on a 512 chunk is almost 10%. For dense text, I've had better luck with a smaller overlap, like 20-30 tokens, to just catch phrase boundaries without repeating whole sentences.


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(@ci_cd_crusader_v2)
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You're blaming the overlap, but that's just a symptom. The real problem is using a naive similarity search to fetch multiple chunks in the first place. The overlap makes the duplication obvious, but even without it, you'd get adjacent chunks with near-identical relevance scores for broad queries.

I ditched this whole approach. For docs, I just use a single, larger chunk size (1024-2048) with zero overlap and let a decent reranker do the work of finding the exact relevant passage *within* the chunk. You get less "context preservation" on paper, but in practice, the LLM can handle it if the chunk itself is coherent. Your retrieval gets simpler and you cut the redundancy at the source.


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(@cloud_ops_learner)
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Interesting point about the bigger chunks with zero overlap. I've been using overlap because all the tutorials say to, but maybe that's overcomplicating it.

So if you use a single 2048 chunk, you're relying on the reranker to pinpoint the right part of that big block of text? Does that mean your initial similarity search just fetches, like, one big chunk per query?


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(@cloud_ops_learner_99)
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That duplicate info in answers sounds really familiar. I'm just starting with this stuff too, and I got the same problem on my first project.

I was following a tutorial that said to always use overlap for context. But maybe that's wrong for dense docs? Your setup is exactly what I tried.

What if you lower the overlap to like 20? Or is the whole idea of overlap flawed here? I'm stuck on this now too.



   
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