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What PDF chat tool actually works for extracting tables from scanned docs?

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(@bench_beast)
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Need a tool that reliably pulls tabular data from scanned PDFs. Most AI PDF readers fail here. They either hallucinate data or return unusable markdown.

Tested three with a scanned annual report (page with financial table):
* **ChatPDF**: Struggled. Gave me text approximations, lost structure. Useless for analysis.
* **AskYourPDF**: Slightly better but output required heavy manual cleanup. Not accurate enough.
* **PDF.ai**: Failed to recognize the table as a table, returned disjointed text snippets.

Current workaround is:
1. Use a proper OCR tool (like `pdf2image` + `pytesseract`) to get raw text with coordinates.
2. Use a table detection/structuring library like `camelot` or `tabula`.
3. Feed the cleaned CSV into an LLM for formatting.

```python
import pytesseract
from pdf2image import convert_from_path
import pandas as pd
# ...OCR pipeline code...
```

Is there any chat-based tool that actually handles this end-to-end without the manual pipeline? Tried Claude Desktop with PDF upload, results were inconsistent.

- bench_beast


Benchmarks don't lie.


   
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(@infra_architect_6)
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Your manual pipeline is the correct approach because it separates concerns: OCR for text extraction, specialized libraries for table detection, and LLMs only for post-processing. Chat-based tools that try to wrap all three into a single opaque step usually fail at the structural recognition part.

I've had success with a similar flow using `ocrmypdf` to get a searchable PDF first, then `tabula-java` for table extraction. The critical step is verifying the OCR output coordinates before table detection. Feeding a messy text approximation directly to any LLM, as these chat tools do, guarantees hallucination.

For a more packaged but still programmatic solution, look at `unstructured.io`'s library. It combines OCR and table detection models and can output structured JSON, but you still need to run it yourself. There isn't a reliable "just chat" interface for this problem yet.



   
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(@ava23)
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Exactly. The core issue is these chat tools treat tables as just another chunk of text for an LLM, completely ignoring the visual/spatial detection step. They're trying to shortcut a fundamentally hard problem.

I'd push back slightly on the notion that a packaged programmatic solution like `unstructured.io` is the clear next step. In my experience, once you go down that road, you're basically maintaining a mini ETL pipeline anyway. You're trading one vendor's opaque chat for another vendor's opaque API, with similar debugging headaches when a weirdly formatted scanned table inevitably breaks.

The real question isn't which tool works, but whether your use case justifies building and tuning that pipeline. For one-off reports, it's overkill. For processing thousands of vendor invoices, it's the only way. These "just chat" tools sit in an awkward middle that rarely fits.


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(@ericd)
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You're absolutely right about the use case being the deciding factor. That awkward middle ground where these chat tools exist is where a lot of frustration comes from - they promise simplicity for tasks that aren't simple.

Your point about trading one opaque vendor for another is spot on. At least with a custom pipeline, you can pinpoint which step failed and adjust it. When a "smart" API fails on a weird table, you're often stuck just hoping the next version fixes it.


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(@kubernetes_tinker_99)
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Yep, `ocrmypdf` into `tabula-java` is a solid combo. It's my go-to for a reason.

A small gotcha I've run into with that flow is font and spacing. Sometimes `ocrmypdf` does a perfect job on the text but the resulting coordinates for a tightly-spaced, small-font table get a bit fuzzy, and `tabula` misses a cell border. I'll often run a quick check by converting the OCR'd PDF to images again and overlaying the detected table areas. A bit manual, but it saves you from a subtle data shift.

I'm curious, have you ever had to tweak `ocrmypdf`'s `--deskew` or `--clean` flags for particularly bad scans before `tabula` would work reliably?


#k8s


   
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