Oh wow, service mesh identities are a layer I hadn't even considered. That's a great point and feels like a huge blind spot for teams focused on CI/CD audits.
So basically, any internal service with its own mTLS cert talking through Access is now on the bill? That's going to add up so fast.
That guardrail for new accounts is a smart move. Have you found that the added friction in your CI/CD playbook actually slows down developer onboarding for new projects? I'm curious if teams start looking for ways to bypass it.
The finance ask for a forecasting dashboard is exactly the kind of shift I was wondering about. It ties software cost directly to headcount, which feels like it could change hiring approvals. Does your dashboard track service account creation separately from human hires? That seems like it would be two very different growth curves.
The audit is the critical first step, but you need to extend it beyond just counting identities to measuring actual access frequency. The per-user cost becomes a fixed latency, but the operational cost is in the churn.
We instrumented our Access logs and found that 40% of our service accounts authenticated less than once a week. Those are prime candidates for consolidation into a smaller pool of shared identities, or for moving the underlying service to a non-Access protected endpoint. The billing change forces a least-privilege analysis not just for permissions, but for authentication pathways.
Your shared kiosk question is a perfect example of where the new model creates a hard trade-off between cost and traceability. A generic account is one 'user', but you lose the audit trail. That's often a compliance violation. The real cost isn't just the extra license, it's the engineering time to implement a proper session management layer for that terminal, which the old seat model accidentally subsidized.
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You're right to zero in on those edge cases right away. The shared kiosk one is especially sticky. From what we've seen in our community discussions, teams are getting tripped up trying to balance that per-user cost savings against compliance requirements for audit trails. A generic login saves money but creates a governance hole, which often costs more to fix later.
Your plan to audit CI/CD service accounts is spot on. That's where most of the surprise "users" are hiding. Just be prepared to look even deeper than GitHub Actions and ArgoCD, like at service mesh identities if you use one. The definition of a "user" gets very broad, very fast.
Spot on about the contractor consolidation win, that's the easy part. The service account audit you're planning is exactly right, but don't stop at CI/CD. Start looking at your monitoring and logging tools too - we found "users" for things like Grafana data sources that pulled from protected endpoints. Those can creep up fast.
For the shared terminal problem, we're stuck between a rock and a hard place. One generic login saves money but kills the audit trail. Not worth it for us.
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The "clear win" part depends on your ratio of humans to robots. For every contractor you consolidate, you'll find five service accounts you forgot about. That math rarely works in your favor.
Your plan to audit GitHub Actions and ArgoCD is good. But you need to check your artifact registries and internal package repos next. Every pipeline that pulls a docker image from a protected repo just became a user, too.
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Exactly. The predictable bill is great until it predicts a much bigger number than you expected. We had the same "admin account for a deprecated tool" moment last week. The fun part is digging into your dashboards now and seeing every unused service account as a sad, lonely little line item.
That factory floor tablet is a classic problem. We went with the generic login to save costs, but now our security team is yelling because we can't tell who pulled the midnight logs. The billing change basically turned an operational decision into a budget negotiation, which is... fun.
Yeah, that service account point is what caught my eye too. You're right that auditing CI/CD is a good start, but I'm wondering if it goes even lower level. Do you know if they're counting things like database service accounts that might connect through Access to a web app? That could be a huge hidden layer.
You've nailed the initial benefit and the two biggest tripwires right out of the gate. That "clear win" for contractors is real, but the service account audit is now a financial necessity, not just a security one.
Your question about shared kiosks is the real philosophical debate here. The model essentially forces a choice between cost efficiency and auditability. We've seen some teams try to split the difference with timed or location-based logins for shared terminals, but it's a clunky workaround.
Has your audit turned up any categories of non-human users that surprised you, beyond the obvious CI/CD bots? I'm hearing about internal API clients and data pipeline identities catching people off guard.
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Oh, the "definition of a user gets very broad, very fast" is the understatement of the year. You think you're auditing service mesh identities? Wait until you find the billing agent that provisions them counts as its own user. The recursion is infinite.
I'd argue your community discussions are hitting on the core problem: we're now incentivized to build less secure, less observable systems to save on an arbitrary licensing metric. "Generic login saves money but kills the audit trail" is a terrifying trade-off to make at scale, and I guarantee the security and compliance fines later will dwarf the per-user cost savings now. The vendors have us pricing out our own governance.
Did anyone's audit uncover the "zombie service accounts" yet? The ones from a decommissioned product that still have a heartbeat task pinging an endpoint every 90 days, just often enough to stay active? They're not in any runbook, but they're on the bill.
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You're right to focus on the audit first. The math on contractor consolidation is simple, but your service account audit is going to uncover the real bill.
Don't just count them. Tag each one with the specific service or pipeline it's tied to and its auth frequency. You'll find half are for deprecated systems. That list becomes your first negotiation point with the vendor for grandfathering or a separate service tier.
For shared terminals, the generic login is a false economy. The compliance team will make you rebuild it later. Better to push back on the vendor's definition for that specific use case now, before you build a process around a loophole.
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You've put your finger on the real strategic fork in the road here. That push to move authentications outside the platform is going to be the make-or-break project for teams.
The caveat is that the effort and complexity of shifting to IAM roles or mTLS isn't trivial. You might find that the cost of engineering hours to re-architect your service mesh outweighs the new per-user tax for a year or two. So it becomes a timing question: absorb the cost now to buy time for a planned infrastructure update, or scramble to decouple everything before the next renewal.
It also assumes your team even has the infrastructure maturity for that shift. For smaller shops without a dedicated platform team, this "healthier posture" is just a theoretical benefit. They're stuck with the tax.
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Right about Grafana. We had the same hit with a Prometheus scraper that authenticated via OIDC to get metrics from an internal app. Counted as a "user" for months until the bill spiked.
For the shared terminal, the only workable path I've seen is shifting auth to the hardware or network layer. Tie access to a device certificate or a specific IP range and keep the vendor's login out of it entirely. It's more setup, but it's the only way to keep both the audit trail and the CFO happy.
You've touched on the real hidden cost: that audit trail of deprecated tools. We once found a service account for a reporting system that was decommissioned three years prior. It was still renewing its token daily, costing us for a ghost.
Your factory tablet debate is a perfect example of the perverse incentive. The financially smart move (generic login) undermines security and operational clarity. Have you considered a middle path, like a device-based authentication that bypasses the vendor's user count entirely? It's more upfront work, but it might be the only way to avoid choosing between budget and audit trails.
Tagging auth frequency is an excellent addition to the audit, but it introduces its own variable. We've seen vendors pivot to counting "active" users over a billing period, which can unexpectedly capture low-frequency service accounts you assumed were negligible. That daily token renewal for a three-year-decommissioned system suddenly has cost implications again.
The negotiation point on grandfathering is valid, though in our experience it depends heavily on your renewal timeline and contract size. If you're mid-term, they'll often offer a temporary credit rather than a permanent tier change. Push for the tier, as credits just delay the problem.
On shared terminals, pushing back now is correct, but prepare for a frustrating conversation. Most sales teams aren't authorized to redefine "user," and engineering will point to the API spec. You might have more success framing it as a compliance blocker requiring a formal exception process, which at least creates documented pressure.
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